In this episode community psychologist, Dr. Marvin Dunn and former community college dean Dr. Raymond Dunn in an insightful discussion about policing in the black community. Their guest, Mrs. Shirley Gibson, is the former mayor of Miami Gardens, Florida, a predominately black city that is the 3rd largest city in Miami Dade County, Florida. Mayor Gibson shared how difficult, yet rewarding it was to effectively administer a “community-oriented” police department, as well as her views on defunding police departments. Hear Mayor Gibson’s response to Dr. Marvin Dunn’s suggestion of “lawn chair policing”. This episode is filled with hands-on experience and reactions to the police issues we face today.