In this episode community psychologist, Dr. Marvin Dunn and former community college dean Dr. Raymond Dunn continue their conversation on the explosive topic of policing in the black community. Their guest is a former Miami-Dade County Police Department, Major and District Commander Mr. Lonnie Lawrence. Officer Lawrence played an important role in bringing order to the city during the Miami Riots of the 1980s. He shares his professional opinions on the tactics police are using today and what might be a more effective criminal justice approach in the black community. Major Lawrence and Dr. Marvin Dunn wrap this topic up with their views on defunding police departments. Join us as we discuss a fair and effective model of “to protect and serve” without crossing the line.